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Comment on - The Future eBay Will Be Unrecognisable...Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:09 am Reply with quote
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Our own 0ctavias0fferings has penned a super article which is now published and linked to on our home page.

http://www.pheebay.com/?the-future-ebay-will-be-unrecognisable-to-today-s-users-415.html

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Comment on - The Future eBay Will Be Unrecognisable...Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:35 pm Reply with quote
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Very Good article 00 and well said. But the alternatives better get the message soon that a true auction venue is what is needed out there....not the quasi wanna be's that are crowding the scene right now. There is still nothing that can replace what we once had at eBay because most of these smaller sites seem to have bought into the idea that the auction venue is dead. Sad



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Comment on - The Future eBay Will Be Unrecognisable...Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:17 pm Reply with quote
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I can understand the difficulty smaller alternative sites have trying to run attractive auctions. They don't work unless you get more than one bidder. Sellers are terrified they might lose a buck by listing with low opening bids etc. etc. etc.

But until there is a financial cost attached to seeking top dollar BIN prices, that's what sellers who "don't need to sell" will do. As a result the site remains pretty unattractive to buyers and, in turn, sellers who NEED to sell have little option but to stay on eBay.

In my view the alternative sites need to ensure there are a good range of auctions for good items starting at keen prices. If auction sites invested in acquiring and offering such auctions I think they may achieve more - buck for buck - than they do via Adwords or other forms of paid advertisng.

This assumes it is an alternative that has a marketing/advertising budget/strategy of course!! Laughing



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Comment on - The Future eBay Will Be Unrecognisable...Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:00 pm Reply with quote
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I would agree with much of what OO says in her article. I'm not so sure however about the long term future of ebay as a non-Mom & Pop site. Without them it loses a lot of the unusual one-off items (as well as loads of junk of course). Also it's difficult to have confidence in the ability of the present management team to turn the site around. And will new giant corporate retailers want to list on there when the site persists in its badly flawed feedback system? I think its only hope is a takeover which might bring some new ideas in, but I suspect the heyday of the online auction site may be over. The novelty has worn off and the recession is about to be begin.


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webvoyager wrote:
I would agree with much of what OO says in her article. I'm not so sure however about the long term future of ebay as a non-Mom & Pop site. Without them it loses a lot of the unusual one-off items (as well as loads of junk of course). Also it's difficult to have confidence in the ability of the present management team to turn the site around. And will new giant corporate retailers want to list on there when the site persists in its badly flawed feedback system? I think its only hope is a takeover which might bring some new ideas in, but I suspect the heyday of the online auction site may be over. The novelty has worn off and the recession is about to be begin.


You raise some good points there Webvoyager.

I do believe the one-off vintage / antique items will continue but they will be presented on the site by the drop-off stores. As for the feedback system, that should be fine as it is for the corporates, they have systems in place for efficient shipping and, since the majority of the goods they'll offer will either be refurb returns under guarantee or similar, all will be in stock ready for despatch.

I think there are a huge number of buyers out there who are looking for the thrill of the auction format, it just isn't happening to the same extent on eBay.

In recessional times I would expect a normal auction site to thrive - as long as the on-site security is decent - as folks will need to turn around items they might otherwise have recycled to the charity shops or local jumble sales and they will also be looking to pick up bargains in the way of items they might need Wink



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webvoyager wrote:
And will new giant corporate retailers want to list on there when the site persists in its badly flawed feedback system?


I think there is a big difference here that needs to be recognized.

If I get home from Target with an item and discover it is broken in the box I think 'no big deal', I can drop in and they will instantly put the money back on my CC or give me a replacement. The assistant will smile and chat and in general be very pleasant. I expect it to be exactly the same should Target sell me an item on eBay.


If I buy an item from an individual on eBay and it is broken when it arrives there now begins a long and painful back and forth email exchange. Did you buy insurance? It was'nt broken when I shipped it. I packed it really well. Complain to your Post Office. I'm not refunding postage. No refund until you leave positive feedback. Crap...I'm getting worked up just thinking about it. Laughing



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Comment on - The Future eBay Will Be Unrecognisable...Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:41 pm Reply with quote
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Some of us were talking about this P2P this morning.

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I think its only hope is a takeover which might bring some new ideas in, but I suspect the heyday of the online auction site may be over. The novelty has worn off and the recession is about to be begin.


What webvoyager said is exactly what the darkside has been trying to sell to us and to other websites so they don't develop anything that can compete with them. And it is so NOT TRUE!!! Again...I proved that last week with a sale of a rare and unique item that went for over 2K and I had no idea what the value of this item was when I listed it. I contemplated listing it for a couple hundred on one of the alts and then decided I had to stick with the game plan that has served me so well over the nearly past 10 years....so I listed it no reserve for $9.99 on the darkside. Within a day I knew I had a winner. There is NO WHERE else that you can do this and get the kind of return you get on the darkside.

So why is this you are thinking? It's simple.....this is in fact a niche market. It is the one place a true collector can come and know that the price will be open and fair to all. I can't tell you the amount of times I have been contacted by major collectors and authors of books about items I have offered on the darkside. Even the policy of hiding the bidders hasn't driven the hard core, savy buyers away. They are not troubled too badly by that as they can recognize their major competitors in any given category with a number of clues the system still provides. And most sellers if asked will supply a copy at the end of the auction of the bidding history or will answer questions if asked directly about the current bidders. So there are ways for heavy hitting bidders to still be comfortable on the darkside and they have stayed. (We...who use the system simply adapted yet again. Evil or Very Mad )

And the site is monitored by many of the major players of live auction houses. The games that go on at these auction houses do not take place here....again something the heavy hitting collectors know and why they are here at the darkside....to get around those games! But the major houses also come here to bid too ....for their customers who can't be bothered. What this means is a little guy like me who gets their grubby paws on a rare or unusual piece can still get a fair viewing nationally and internationally for their item and in most cases reap a nice benefit they can get nowhere else.

The darkside doesn't want anyone anywhere to know this.....so the little sites cater to the fixed price store items. They hide their activity on site, for many reasons.....even when it should be something to FINALLY get excited about. Well....unfortunately there is no way to grow brains for people running these sites and people like myself haven't the experience or time to wast trying to convince them of what they need to do. Yeah...we try....like I am trying now. It's a crying shame that I know my efforts will fall on "darkside false information stuffed ears".......... Sad You have to admit on the propaganda side the darkside has done an excellent job. Rolling Eyes



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Comment on - The Future eBay Will Be Unrecognisable...Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:54 pm Reply with quote
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Also there is no recession in antiques, collectibles, coins, silver or gold right now. The market has never been more active as is always the case when the economy is in the dumper. That's what makes what is going on so much worse. This could have been the best "slow" summer ever.........if they would just stop futzing with everything! There are several factors slowing the buying down right now.....but it isn't the recession. You can even see the categories I just mentioned alive and well on many of the alts....though you have to be an idiot to list anything you are not absolutely sure of the value of right now on any of them. And just like on the darkside the real bidders don't bid on reserves and high opening bids so for the most part the alts are still a wasteland. Rolling Eyes



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Comment on - The Future eBay Will Be Unrecognisable...Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:07 pm Reply with quote
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Well there's certainly a recession in collectible photographic gear - the value of that has been dropping for a couple of years. But I accept other areas may be fine.

I can see what PVH is saying about her unexpected high value sale on ebay. Maybe in some categories that is the only place, but I don't think that is true of all. Delcampe seems to be doing very nicely in terms of listings (around 15,000,000) & through put rate but I haven't studied it to see what categories its strong on. Specialist Auctions has a strong niche in militaria. I stumbled upon it by looking at someone's feedback and was amazed to see that there is a seller there with over 700 positive feedback and many in that section with well over 100. I think it pays to look around and study all the options. Putting all ones eggs (or most of them) in the ebay basket could for the one-person business result in a lot of broken shells imho.


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Don't you see ups and downs in the photographic gear web? We seek that in most of the collectible and antique categories. As collections for standard fare items (harder to find, but still available) fill up then it has to wait for some new collectors to arrive on the scene and you need at least two who want the same thing. I'm sure rare stuff in your category would sell no matter what though maybe not as easily as the standard gold, silver, coins, gems, jewels, jewelry, art or other "inflation-recession proof" items do however.



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